Saturday, December 14, 2013

The War Between Clark Oil & Refining and it’s Dealers


The dealers won the battle, but eventually lost the war.


12/14/2013 Throughout in the 1970’s, I was a franchised gasoline station dealer with the Clark Oil and Refining Corp. Previously, while still in high school, I obtained a job pumping gas for a Clark dealer named Chuck Oleson. He was a great guy to work for and actually helped several of his employees, myself included, get their own stations. My station was at Hampton Ave and Santa Monica Blvd in Milwaukee and I was just 19 years old and very proud when I became self-employed with my new business name "Daniel S Bridger's Clark Service".

After getting settled in, I was making pretty decent money and envisioned a long and successful partnership with Clark Oil & Refining. However, there was trouble brewing on the horizon. Clark Oil gave it’s dealers a lot of help and training with their businesses, but treated them more as employees than the independent franchise owners that the oil company had us legally set up to be.


As you can read in the very in depth article from the Milwaukee Journal Archives below, a war soon broke out between the dealers and Clark.  In fact, I was almost named the lead plaintiff in the 1973 lawsuit but the lawyers selected Myles as their best prospect. After a long four year battle, the Association I was a member of won a 1.9 million dollar settlement. One of the factors in Clark's decision to settle resulted from a major discovery. Many of the area dealers at that time used a CPA for bookkeeping and tax purposes that was recommended by Clark. Turns out that this accountant was sending copies of our profit and loss statements to Clark Oil every month. As you can imagine, this infuriated the association members and gave our lawyers big ammo to use in the event of a trial.
My best friend Bob at my station about 1980

So, we won but the victory was short lived. Clark eventually succeeded in forcing the dealers out, mainly by keeping the wholesale cost for gasoline higher for us than actual market prices. In fact, at times our wholesale price from Clark was nearly the same as our competition’s retail price at the pump! Their goal was to get rid of the franchise owners, install salaried managers in all the stations, retain a higher level of income and assert control over all operations. The big move to self-service stations in the 1970’s and 80’s didn't help either, as all you needed were shelf stockers and a body behind a cash register to run the business, not someone skilled in managing full service customer attendants. Clark had the financial deep pockets to outlast the independent dealers. Alas, all did not go very smoothly for the company in later years. Founder Emory T. Clark sold his interest in the company in 1981 to Apex Oil, a St. Louis, Missouri-based company. In 1985, Apex decided to sell Clark Oil. By 1987, Clark and Apex were bankrupt.[1] (source: Wikipedia)
Me at my old station on Santa Monica with the 
new design 2008.

All in all, my time with Clark was a good experience, I made a living for over 10 years and worked with some great people who have have been life long friends. Also, as a young man, gaining valuable experience in business practices, accounting, negotiation, communication and customer service skills, helped me immensely in later years.

I’d like to give special mention here to my old boss, Chuck Oleson. He hired me as a third shift attendant at his Clark station a few weeks before I started my senior year of high school. My buddy Ross from school was working for him and got me an interview.

I learned a lot of life lessons from Chuck, who was a great guy to work for. Most of the crew did a good job because he was well liked and respected by his employees. Chuck was such an outstanding and unselfish person, he helped at least five of his employees get their own franchises, including me. After high school I was looking to find my way, tried a couple of factory jobs (Harley Davidson was one), but I just couldn't do it. Staring at a clock while on an assembly line seemed like ‘nuts’ to me. Chuck hired me back after I came begging, put in a recommend to get my own station and got me started in a decent career. For that I will always be grateful. For one of Chuck’s life lessons, see The Stamp Book Story. Update: Sadly, Chuck passed away way to early on Aug 28, 2015 at the age of 74.

Left to right: Bob, Chuck, Karl & Ross Dec, 2013
I've known these guys since the late 1960’s. I met Bob at Chuck’s station after he got back from serving in Vietnam and he has been my closest friend for well over 40 years. Chuck helped him get his station at Teutonia and Villard in Milwaukee. My high school buddy, Ross worked for Chuck and was the best man at my wedding (the first one), Karl was a fellow attendant and friend that Chuck helped to get a station at 76th and Bradley in Milwaukee. Comments by Karl follow the article along with a cool YouTube video of an old Clark commercial.

Article thanks to Mildred Freeze and The Journal Archives. Link Provided below:
Nov 23, 1976  Several Clark Oil service station operators without much money or influence decided four years ago that their oil company was wrong and they were going to do something about it. Their fight ended last week with a 1.9 million settlement plus a restructuring of their relationship with Clark Oil and Refining Corp.

The lawsuit is interesting for several reasons, but it is difficult to relate them without getting involved in the complexities of the case. It is remarkable primarily because the operators were not even a united group when the court fight began. They were simply individuals who felt cheated.

Against the advice of one attorney, they found a law firm with enough resources to challenge the oil company. Attorney William E, Glassner, Jr. was sympathetic enough with them to work out a way to pay him without putting them out of business. It is expensive to fight an oil company. The operators had to persuade men who were earning $10,000 to $20,000 per year to pay a $75 initiation fee to belong to the Clark Dealers Association plus $25 per month for two years.

The operators had to believe Peter H. Gardner, now chairman of the dealer’s group, that they would get their money back and the frustration and uncertainty were worth the initial sacrifice. Many were unimpressed with that explanation. The dealer organization numbered 176 station operators when the case began and 68 on the final day. The group lost many members when individuals were assessed $1000 in attorney fees.

In a little more than three years, Gardner paid out $5000. There were some who paid more. Members were asked to pay a tenth of a cent to the organization for every gallon of gas they pumped. The station operators paid $133,000 out of their pockets to keep the lawsuit going.
Now they will get their money back and more.

When the settlement was approved by Federal Judge John W. Reynalds, Glassner’s firm received $351,619 and a Chicago firm that started a separate action and whose case was joined with the Milwaukee case was paid $194,277. “The attorneys never asked us to pay the whole thing”, Gardner said. “Just to do the best we could. If it weren’t for Glassner, we wouldn’t have made it.” Along the way, Gardner said, “our biggest fear was that we wouldn’t be able to hold out and the company knew that.”

The federal suit is among the first few class action antitrust cases. Normally antitrust cases are brought by US attorneys. Private lawsuits generally follow government cases. Although the dealers asked for help, no government agency was interested in their cause.

Glassner said of the fight: “I’ll never start another class action. Everybody becomes an attorney. Those people who shout the loudest do the least work. Too many people took a free ride.” If he were to do it over he would name the individuals in the case. While indicating his frustration with the case, he said people in his firm working with dealers accomplished some things. They thought the dealers how to clean up their accounting practices. They showed them how the court system operated and how they could apply legislative pressure.

Efforts Pay Off
They also found out how to get gasoline from other sources and how to merchandise it. The most significant thing, Glassner said, was the passage of the Wisconsin Dealership Act, which the operators lobbied for in the Legislature. it provides operators with security they did not previously have.

The federal suit, filed in February, 1973, alleged that Clark had fixed retail prices on gasoline, disciplined dealers through the use of one year leases and short termination provisions, limited dealers to the purchase of Clark branded products and unfairly competed with dealers by having company owned stations. The suit was filed by Myles Jackson, who operates a clark station at 2514 N. 27th St., “on behalf of himself and others similarly situated.” Jackson was chosen because his lease was up for renewal and contained new rent charges that dealers found objectionable.

Important Ruling
A breakthrough came almost a year later when Reynolds ruled that the lawsuit could be pursued as a class action. “We are not rich men,” said dealer Charles Hohlweck then. “This gives us the chance to fight the big oil company. it’s a tremendous victory,” Hohlweck has since left Clark and buys gasoline on the open market.

Gardner organized dealers on Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana. He viewed the experience as an educational process. “There was a lot of frustrations at first. We just grew with it,” he said. Clark Oil served him with eviction notices three times during the fight. He was without a lease for almost a year. The eviction efforts against him and others went into state courts and were held up until the federal case was finished.

Gardner is 35, one of 11 children of a Vermont farmer. After high school he went into the army and married a German, Luise. In 1962, after getting out of the Army, he chose to live in the Milwaukee area because of it’s German community. After a job as a dry cleaning salesman, he became a tool and die maker trainee at Amron, Inc., Waukesha, where he stayed six years. He joined the union and became vice president and head of the bargaining committee. That union experience was useful during the court battle, he said.

While at Amron, he also worked part time for a Clark station. Five years ago he took over the station at 1025 S. 108th St., West Allis. A year after he became a dealer, Gardner was in trouble because he wouldn’t sign Clark’s new lease calling for a percentage on the cigarettes and miscellaneous items that dealers sell. He heard about a Clark dealers’ group being formed in Chicago and went to a meeting. Then he learned of some Inner City Milwaukee Clark dealers who were having trouble, and he met with Hohlweck.

Another breakthrough that affected the case came in Minnesota. A new state law gave  dealers franchise rights, and Clark Oil responded by evicting all Minnesota dealers the very same day. Gardner flew to Minneapolis that day and signed up 40 dealers for the dealer organization. They were subsequently protected by a court injunction pending the outcome of the Wisconsin case.
“A strange thing happens to people when an adverse thing happens all at once,” Gardner said. In Minnesota the dealers joined at once and they stayed. In Wisconsin “we could only get them when Clark picked on them.”

The dealers preferred to have their case presented in open court, Gardner said, but by settling with the company, they were able to get automatically renewable three year leases. and they got the right to negotiate and go to court if necessary without threatening their livelihood. “Now we’ve got to enforce what we’ve won and no one else will enforce it but us,” Gardner said. “We have to stay together. It will be difficult without adversity.”

During the four years many service stations went out of business. With the increase in gasoline prices, self service stations grew. Many Clark stations closed.
About 1,000 dealers still in business will profit most from the action. In addition to their three year leases, each will get $900 in gasoline credits. The settlement also includes those that went out of business during the court fight. After attorney fees and costs of investigation are paid, there will not be enough left for individuals to receive more financial compensation. But the big battle has been won.

Comment thanks to Karl:
Clark Super 100
Hi Dan, The time I spent at Clark was a great life experience for me. I checked in on March 2, 1972, I was just 21 years old. My station at 8015 N. 76th St. in Milwaukee was Clark Station # 1565, I was Dealer# 6585. The Clark Territory Salesman was Richard Theesfeld, he checked me in. Theesfeld is now deceased, he died in 2006 at age 68. His lived in East Troy as I recall. I was excited about the new shopping center about to open in the area, Northridge Shopping Center. I spent 11 years as a Clark Dealer leaving in March 1983. I got a job with Milwaukee County Transit System as a bus driver in 1979. Chuck & I became partners at my station in 1979, he ran the station for me. It was a hard decision, but we ended my lease with Clark and Chuck on stayed on as a station manager working for Clark. In between working at his Clark station on Hopkins & Silver Spring Dr. Chuck worked for Moore Oil as a route salesperson. He joined me at my station because he did’nt like the work at Moore Oil. That’s all for now, I’ll continue this story in my next e-mail. Here is a picture of Bob, Ross, Chuck, & me taken last Sunday (Dec 1, 2013). Karl
Clark, Part II
Dan, A few other Clark details I can remember. Chuck came from Waukesha. He worked at a Clark station there will in high school. He got his own station at Hopkins & Silver Spring Dr. about 1960. He left the station and joined the US Air Force. When he left the service he was reinstalled in his old Clark station in about 1964. I think his station was Sta.# 76, it was much older than my station. He was dealer # 1924. Bob and Kenny’s stations nearby were about the same age as Chuck’s station. I must also mention Ken. He was a great help to me the first few weeks I was in business. I needed help with learning reports and Ken was there to lend a hand. I know he wanted his own station and later Clark put him in at 26th & Silver Spring Dr. in Glendale. I always felt my station never did the kind of monthly gallons it should of. Given the high volume of traffic on 76th St. One problem I had to deal with was a 45 MPH speed limit on 76th St. A quick look and you fly right by at that speed. The next Clark Station going south on 76th St. was at Medford St. (near Fond du Lac Ave, Villard Ave. & 76th St.). I still see Jim R., if you recall he was a Clark Sales Rep. too. He lives right here in Port Washington not far from me. That’s it for now. Karl

Thanks Karl!
Jim R.! I remember him well, he was a good guy that was put in a tough spot between the dealers and Clark. I had a couple confrontations with him, but always liked him personally. Oh, that brings up a memory of screeming at him at 3AM in the morning as I tried to close my station to go home for a couple hours to sleep. The third shift jerk I had didn't show up for work. Jim was out in the middle of the night checking my station! He said I had to remain open or I would be breaking my lease agreement. LOL! It was nothing personal against him, oh my, he must have thought I was nuts!.  If you see him, please tell him hello and I wish him well!
Thanks for the great info Karl. You have quite a memory, hope you don't mind if I use some of your input in my post. I will not use last names unless I have specific permission.
Dan

Clark Brands

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Brands
Clark Brands, formerly Clark Oil, began as Clark's Super Gas and was a 20th-century oil company headquartered in MilwaukeeWisconsin.
Founded by Emory T. Clark in 1932 as a single filling station on the corner of 60th St. and Greenfield Ave. in West Allis, Clark Super Gas sold only premium gasoline. Unlike most contemporary service stations, Clark stations did not offer mechanical maintenance and tire changing.
In 1943, the company moved into refining oil. By the mid-1950s, the company operated nearly 500 gas stations throughout the Midwest, with locations in Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio and Wisconsin.
From 1948 to 1950, Clark Super Gas sponsored the Milwaukee Clarks, a minor league ice hockey team in the International Hockey League.
At its height in the 1970s, Clark Oil was the largest independent oil refiner and marketer in the Midwest with 1,489 stations and two refineries, one inBlue Island, Illinois and the other in Hartford, Illinois. The average Clark station sold twice the number of gallons as the national average, and its emphasis on premium gasoline gave the company a high profit margin.
Emory Clark sold his interest in the company in 1981 to Apex Oil, a St. Louis, Missouri-based company. In 1985, Apex decided to sell Clark Oil. By 1987, Clark and Apex were bankrupt.[1]
In 1992, a division of Toronto-based Horsham Corp. bought Clark Oil and Refining, which included the two refineries and around 1,000 gas stations. The company's name was changed to Clark Refining and Marketing.[1] Horsham expanded the company, buying a Lima, Ohio refinery from BP, and a Port Arthur, Texas refinery from Chevron. Horsham became TrizecHahn, and then sold 80% of Clark to The Blackstone Group, another investment firm, and another portion to Occidental Petroleum.[1]
In 1999, the company sold its retail unit and rebranded itself as Premcor. In 2001, many Clark stations in southeast Michigan were closed permanently. In 2003, Clark Brands, LLC was formed and purchased the Clark brand and other portions of the Clark business, with a primary goal to license the Clark brand to independent operators.[2] Clark gas stations are now operating throughout 28 states, with over 700-branded locations, some with convenience stores under the On the Go name.[3][4]


11 comments:

  1. I would like to add that Chuck Oleson (Olson?) also hired me, a younger brother to Dan, about 1971. It was a learning experience in the retail and hard work industry. The summer of '71' I worked night shift full time, as well as another day job full time at Grant's Department store, as well as a part-time job at the American Dry Cleaners in Butler. Over 90 hours per week people! At the age of 17. Perhaps parents should encourage their kids they have more energy than they think. Anyway, thank you Chuck Olson, and my brother, for getting me that job. Cigarettes 32 cents a pack?

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    1. I too worked for Clark in the early 70's but at 2 locations splitting shifts between them. 26th & Silver Spring and the one on 60th & Fon duLac. Kitty Corner from Capitol Court. I know the station on Santa Monica as it was next door to my dads favorite pizza joint..Giuseppe's!

      Fags may have been 32 cents a pack but gas was 26 cents!!!

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    2. Did you work for Ken Lord on 26th & Silver Spring? He was a dealer at that station in the early to mid 70's.

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    3. Danny,
      I commented "anonymously" above to see if you or Russ could figure out who I was. I got my experience working at Clark from helping you and Russ on your shifts! Lots of late night shenanigans on Hopkins especially since I grew up in the area and my high school Custer was right down the road. It was an awesome time and at times it "was" our social circle and hang. I can still see and hear that Red 63 SS Impala with the glass packs on board! Sounded awesome @ 2am (3rd shift).
      I can't remember the name of the guy who owned the Clark on 60th and Fon Du Lac.. I want to say Bob or Bruce. I can see his face..black shiney thin hair combed back and black trimmed short beard. I had a blast at Clark and I too made life long friends in doing so.

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    4. Thanks for the comment, cousin Steve, LOL. I had an idea it might be you but wasn't certain!

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  2. Great story and I appreciate all the effort you put into it! It's a shame because Clark had a really good thing going in the 70's, but I suspect Clark was aware of the consolidation and monopolization that was to come to the oil industry in the 80's and beyond. Nevertheless, your story was great reading, and it made me long for the past.

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  3. Thanks for the comment! As I mentioned in the post, I have no regrets about my past experience with Clark Oil. With the exception of one executive (who was truly an a-hole), I made a decent living for over 10 years, developed life-long friends and gain valuable business experience which benefited me greatly in my career. No regrets, there were some very good years in the 1970's. Clark did have a good program for it's dealers and I was proud to be one of them. They did overstep their authority however and paid the price for it.

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  4. Thank you Dan for your story. I enjoyed every bit of it.

    I was unaware other minors (under Wisconsin law) became independent businessmen for Clark before reaching age 21. I was age 20 on 15jul1971 when I became dealer #2607.

    Green Bay's Clark Oil & Refining district 14 included Ralph Brensike's station at 134 N Richmond St in Appleton where as Ralph's night shift employee I was recruited by territory manager Lloyd Freckmann and his boss John R Beebe.

    The year before, Ralph's station had undergone the disruption of installing a second underground tank for "Low-Lead" dispensers (gas pumps) because Emory T Clark's previous business plan was to only sell Premium gasoline. Don't remember what the explaination for only one grade of gas but as result, Ralph just had the one underground tank til 1970. We did serve a lot of 60's muscle car customers.

    I do recall being told Emory began in Real Estate which led to his ownership of a gas station. Unable to profit by its sale, he elected to operate it and became an accidental Oil industry success, eventually the 23rd largest refiner.

    I was offered a very recently built station #1525 which alreay had both of the 6800 gallon tanks.

    Lots of memories about giving out Clark candy bars for Halloween, filling our pocket window washing bottles from metal 2 gallon alcohol cans all winter long, the Orange belt with leather over the buckle so we wouldn't
    scratch customer cars as we leaned over to clean ALL the windows.

    A comment on another poster's mention of a beard. Clark management was very prickley about grooming when I was there. There was evan an official day when we could finally roll up sleeves and omit the black necktie. No short sleeves allowed and an unspoken understanding no female employees.

    My lease margin was 5.5 cents on 1971-72 era gas prices hovering between 27.9 and 36.9 cents per gallon. A barrel of crude (44 gallons) was $11 so Clark's raw material cost of 25 cents left little for them. Clark provided me a minimum draw of $600 monthly because their first
    3 dealers for the site sold just 18000 gallons per month ($990 monthly).
    So just $390 for employees to cover a 24 X 7 hour business meant I would be working 7 days per week for both years I was a leasee.

    Using what Ralph taught me about customer service, we grew the site to 28000 gallon monthly sales. I left only because Clark shifted the electric bill to my side of the ledger. I understood their wish to make up for the earlier station operator failures but realized I wasn't really an independent businessman after all.

    I'd love to hear from other Clark Oil alumni readers of your great story any comment on Nixon's 15AUG1971 Executive Order 11615. That "surprise announcement" on TV is the easy part for folks of a certain age to remember. We were at 27.9/gal "gas war" price that day and it was a delight to think we'd stay at that price for the next SIX MONTHS.
    But I was wrong.

    I had forgotten that less than one month before August 15th, Clark had us set the pumps to 44.9/gallon just for two days. It was so strange an event (recorded history max price was 37.9) that Lloyd and John Beebe promised to find out why "corporate" had dictated a price that doomed us with customers. My daily sales went from 900 daily gallons to 90 gallons. $5 profit per day would not support my 24 X 7 payroll.

    Turns out E.O 11615 had a loophole.

    Nixon's "price control" (which was a success) had a thirty-day window in how it was worded, so Clark Oil was 10 cents inside the new law when a couple weeks later told to set the pumps to 34.9. I was actually reported to the I.R.S by an irate customer who, like me, thought the nation's price freeze law applied to everyone and I couldn't go above 27.9

    I didn't go to prison because powerful people do look out for each other but my momentary role encourged a weather eye for anomaly that serves me still today.

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    1. Thanks for your input! In response to us being minors when we got our stations I don't believe it's true. Under Wisconsin law, you are an adult at 18 years of age, even though the feds force the states to prohibit alcohol until 21. I had just turned 19 years old when I got my station in 1971. I don't know kind of bullshit lease agreement you had with Clark with "lease margin" and "minimum draw"? They had absolutely no right under my lease to tell me what to charge for gasoline, cigarettes or anything else. I bought gasoline by the truckload and had 10 days to remit payment. It was up to me what I charged at the pump, with the exception of government price controls for a limited time. My original lease did require me to be open 24/7 365 days per year though. They relinquished on that with the Arab oil crisis. Clark got away with a lot of illegal crap back in those days. I remember the two Milwaukee area maintenace men being pulled off their schedule to go out and paint at Emory T. Clark's residence. Wish we could have nailed them for a lot more in the lawsuit!

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  5. John's return visit here. I was cleaning the garage and ran across some packages of Clark decals. The unmarked brown paper wrapping suggests they were bulk produced in Taiwan for the company as vinyl orange/black/white 2 1/2 inch round logo images about a hundred to
    each pack (maybe more). We used to hand them out back when STP and Hooker Headers stickers obscured the rear side windows of every teenagers first car. Come to think of it, we handed out 8X10 Green Bay Packer player glossy print posters back in 69 or 70. EBAY images of both
    promotional giveaways still exist.

    The decals sparked memory of my past visit to your webpage and re-finding it I was delighted you had appended more about your Clark station franchise experience.

    I totally agree 18 was and still is the age of majority for criminal law and 18 is now (and probably was back then) age of majority for civil law but my father had to co-sign payroll my first months of duty ahead of turning 21. Contract law, as you know, is by definition anything two parties agree to (excluding slavery and murder).

    My asymmetrical power relationship with Clark Oil & Refining Corporation had them authoring all contract terms and my option was to accept it or modify it and await their acceptance to my changes. While much later in life, the fifty-year-old version of me did make a written change to a contract with some mortgage bankers who, astonished I'd written on their employers boilerplate document, phoned their head office to learn that it was both legal and that they agreed to my changes... twenty-year-old me was ignorant of that option in 1971 of course and I signed whatever they offered.

    So I'm guessing myths I'd heard back then about the coexistence of both "company stations" and "independent stations" answers why my career was unlike yours even though we were just 1 year apart in age when we started. Clark's Neenah station history in 1971 was three failed
    operators in about as many years before my attempt. Maybe they gave me their "training wheels" version contract with some sort of financial floor in hope I'd stay longer.

    Each business weekday required a trip to the bank for depositing cash/checks taken in and purchase of a cashiers check payable to Clark computed from each gallon sold. I paid for my gas as I bought it. They owned what was in the ground tanks.

    My ability for price setting was a charade. On paper it was up to me but in reality they'd phone me to canvas a list (they provided) of my immediate competition... then I'd phone in the result and they'd call back with my new price. They also provided my "approved" signs for cigarette sales which fixed a price for those too. Did I mention the total ban on any other merchandise sales?

    Having left Clark just ahead of the OPEC caused pricing issues, I appreciate that your time with them was more complicated than mine. I was an unsophisticated but willing partner during what Wikipedia reports as the best financial era for the company. I worked 7 days each week... took one day off in two years since my contract had no provisions for vacation or sick or healthcare, etc. Works out to a $2.16 hourly wage. The company came out fine.

    Clark Oil & Refining enriched my life (aside from great coworkers and customers) eventually. I'd followed their rules faithfully and doubled the business. When twenty-seven year old me finished going back to school for a degree, my job resume contained something that looked like accomplishment, responsibility, and success. I'd hired and fired people at a pretty young age. It's dumb luck for me that Clark's positive effect happened ahead of the company going bankrupt.

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    1. Hi John, thanks so much for taking the time and detailing your history with Clark! So interesting, and I am astonished at how your lease agreement was structured, compared to what we had in Milwaukee. Of course, I was young, like yourself and Clark obviously took a lot of liberties in the writing of leases in their favor. I had heard of some situations where Clark owned the gas in the ground, but I thought that was only because the dealer was in financial trouble and Clark was trying to help keep them going. When Clark put my name on that sign that said "Dealer" and hung it above the door, I considered myself a business owner and joined the dealer association to fight their abuse. Bottom line, we could have probably gotten more if we had the deep pockets to go to trial, but it all worked out in the end. And, we were much smarter for it in later years! Thanks so much for your interesting story! You can reach me anytime at my email dbridgerhot@gmail.com.

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